Fire permissions - Revision history

LlewelynApDafydd at 08:19, 6 July 2025

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	* In general, we're not going to be restricted due to law (now - regulations have changed recently; this wasn't always the case).		* In general, we're not going to be restricted due to law (now - regulations have changed recently; this wasn't always the case).
	* However, the site owners can _always_ add additional restrictions.		* However, the site owners can _always_ add additional restrictions.
	* Accordingly, make sure people are aware that 'it's not a restricted fire season' doesn't mean 'we can have fires at faire', and also ensure people aren't whining at site staff if they don't like the decisions site has made about fire.		* Accordingly, make sure people are aware that 'it's not a restricted fire season' doesn't automatically mean 'we can have fires at faire', and also ensure people aren't whining at site staff if they don't like the decisions site has made about fire.
	* Make sure people understand the difference between cooking and camp fires; we may well be able to have cooking fires but not camp fires.		* Make sure people understand the difference between cooking and camp fires; we may well be able to have cooking fires but not camp fires.

LlewelynApDafydd at 08:18, 6 July 2025

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	= Messaging =		= Messaging =
	~~- in~~ general, we're not going to be restricted due to law (now - regulations have changed recently; this wasn't always the case)~~; restrictions are likely to come from~~ the site.		* In general, we're not going to be restricted due to law (now - regulations have changed recently; this wasn't always the case).
	- Accordingly, make sure people are aware that 'it's not a restricted fire season' doesn't mean 'we can have fires at faire', and also ensure people aren't whining at site staff if they don't like the decisions site has made about fire.		* However, the site owners can _always_ add additional restrictions.
	- Make sure people understand the difference between cooking and camp fires; we may well be able to have cooking fires but not camp fires.		* Accordingly, make sure people are aware that 'it's not a restricted fire season' doesn't mean 'we can have fires at faire', and also ensure people aren't whining at site staff if they don't like the decisions site has made about fire.
			* Make sure people understand the difference between cooking and camp fires; we may well be able to have cooking fires but not camp fires.

	= Liaison =		= Liaison =

LlewelynApDafydd at 08:36, 15 June 2025

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	- in general, we're not going to be restricted due to law (now - regulations have changed recently; this wasn't always the case); restrictions are likely to come from the site.		- in general, we're not going to be restricted due to law (now - regulations have changed recently; this wasn't always the case); restrictions are likely to come from the site.
	- Accordingly, make sure people are aware that 'it's not a restricted fire season' doesn't mean 'we can have fires at faire', and also ensure people aren't whining at site staff if they don't like the decisions site has made about fire.		- Accordingly, make sure people are aware that 'it's not a restricted fire season' doesn't mean 'we can have fires at faire', and also ensure people aren't whining at site staff if they don't like the decisions site has made about fire.
			- Make sure people understand the difference between cooking and camp fires; we may well be able to have cooking fires but not camp fires.

	= Liaison =		= Liaison =
	Appoint a fire person to coordinate with site, and with fire and emergency (for permitting / notification). Angele has done this a lot - check with her is she's still willing. Chocolate helps lubricate willingness		Appoint a fire person to coordinate with site, and with fire and emergency (for permitting / notification). Angele has done this a lot - check with her is she's still willing. Chocolate helps lubricate willingness

			?We should start making a habit of doing a call for people who'd like fires ~6-8 weeks ahead of faire?

			= What's a cooking fire vs camp fire?

	=Requirements=		=Requirements=

LlewelynApDafydd at 08:31, 15 June 2025

2025-06-15T08:31:50Z

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			= Messaging =
			- in general, we're not going to be restricted due to law (now - regulations have changed recently; this wasn't always the case); restrictions are likely to come from the site.
			- Accordingly, make sure people are aware that 'it's not a restricted fire season' doesn't mean 'we can have fires at faire', and also ensure people aren't whining at site staff if they don't like the decisions site has made about fire.

			= Liaison =
			Appoint a fire person to coordinate with site, and with fire and emergency (for permitting / notification). Angele has done this a lot - check with her is she's still willing. Chocolate helps lubricate willingness

	=Requirements=		=Requirements=
	There are 4 things that determine whether you can have a fire at the event:		There are 4 things that determine whether you can have a fire at the event:

AngeleDeSavigny: /* Section 52 prohibitions */

2025-06-15T07:57:31Z

Section 52 prohibitions

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	\|Permanent outdoor fireplace		\|Permanent outdoor fireplace
	Wood-fired pizza oven/wood oven		Wood-fired pizza oven/wood oven
	\|~~The~~ clay oven		\|An example would be the clay oven by Draco Viridis
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	*Anything required by the site owner		*Anything required by the site owner

AngeleDeSavigny: /* Section 52 prohibitions */

2025-06-15T07:55:16Z

Section 52 prohibitions

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	!Fire type		!Fire type
	!Description		!Description
	!Requirements		!Requirements (if you can't meet these requirements, you will need to apply for a permit)
	!Restricted Season		!Restricted Season
	!Prohibited Season		!Prohibited Season

AngeleDeSavigny: /* Applying for a fire permit */

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Applying for a fire permit

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	==Applying for a fire permit==		==Applying for a fire permit==
	If any of the fire types wanted require a permit, or the site owner requests that you get one, the steward or their representative should visit [https://www.firepermit.nz/FENZ/Welcome.aspx www.firepermit.nz] to apply.		If any of the fire types wanted require a permit (e.g. a bonfire, or you can't comply with the requirments listyed to avoid needing a permit), or the site owner requests that you get one, the steward or their representative should visit [https://www.firepermit.nz/FENZ/Welcome.aspx www.firepermit.nz] to apply.
	<P>'''Note:''' ''Angele (Kerry McSaveney) has a permit for campfires by the Mong and at Northside that can be reactivated.''		<P>'''Note:''' ''Angele (Kerry McSaveney) has a permit for campfires by the Mong and at Northside that can be reactivated.''
	<P>New applications can take 5-10 working days to be approved.		<P>New applications can take 5-10 working days to be approved.
	<P>Follow the steps on the website. It's pretty straightfoward.		<P>Follow the steps on the website. It's pretty straightfoward.

AngeleDeSavigny: /* Section 52 prohibitions */

2025-06-15T07:52:33Z

Section 52 prohibitions

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	*Anything required by the site owner		*Anything required by the site owner
	*Must have a non-combustible hearth or base that extends a minimum of 500 mm either side of the left and right edges and a minimum of 1 m from the front edge of the fire box.		*Must have a non-combustible hearth or base that extends a minimum of 500 mm either side of the left and right edges and a minimum of 1 m from the front edge of the fire box.
	*:This is to stop any burning material falling from the fire box landing on anything combustible.		:This is to stop any burning material falling from the fire box landing on anything combustible.
	*Smoke vent/chimneys must have a purpose-built manufactured cap, or maximum 5 mm steel mesh fitted in the top to stop any hot ash or embers from escaping.		*Smoke vent/chimneys must have a purpose-built manufactured cap, or maximum 5 mm steel mesh fitted in the top to stop any hot ash or embers from escaping.
	*Firewood storage must be in areas not affected by heat from the fire and clear of any possible hot ash or ember-affected areas.		*Firewood storage must be in areas not affected by heat from the fire and clear of any possible hot ash or ember-affected areas.

AngeleDeSavigny: /* Section 52 prohibitions */

2025-06-15T07:52:14Z

Section 52 prohibitions

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	*Anything required by the site owner		*Anything required by the site owner
	*Must have a non-combustible hearth or base that extends a minimum of 500 mm either side of the left and right edges and a minimum of 1 m from the front edge of the fire box. This is to stop any burning material falling from the fire box landing on anything combustible.		*Must have a non-combustible hearth or base that extends a minimum of 500 mm either side of the left and right edges and a minimum of 1 m from the front edge of the fire box.
			*:This is to stop any burning material falling from the fire box landing on anything combustible.
	*Smoke vent/chimneys must have a purpose-built manufactured cap, or maximum 5 mm steel mesh fitted in the top to stop any hot ash or embers from escaping.		*Smoke vent/chimneys must have a purpose-built manufactured cap, or maximum 5 mm steel mesh fitted in the top to stop any hot ash or embers from escaping.
	*Firewood storage must be in areas not affected by heat from the fire and clear of any possible hot ash or ember-affected areas.		*Firewood storage must be in areas not affected by heat from the fire and clear of any possible hot ash or ember-affected areas.

AngeleDeSavigny: /* Fire permissions */

2025-06-15T07:51:14Z

Fire permissions

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	=~~Fire permissions~~=		=Requirements=
	There are 4 things that determine whether you can have a fire at the event:		There are 4 things that determine whether you can have a fire at the event:
	*The site owners must give permission - their site, their rules.		*The site owners must give permission - their site, their rules.